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The Paleo Solution Podcast #148

Responding to question #7, Robb Wolf said (at ~55 minutes into the above noted episode):

“An underfed baby will not have adequate..will not have normal cognitive development.  That is, ya know, the classic scenario when you’re looking at an underfed baby– which interestingly you actually see a lot of this stuff in like the vegan community, because even if the mother is breastfeeding, the mother’s breast milk is so nutrient deficient that the baby’s not doing well, and then beyond know it’s a clear indication that when the baby is, has a failure to thrive, there’s a lack of body weight gain, and there’s a lack of normal, kind of psychomotor development…”


WHAT?!  Did Robb Wolf actually say that the breast milk of vegan mothers is nutrient deficient??  Is he saying that “you see a lot of” vegan babies who are underfed…failing to thrive…lacking body weight gain…and lacking normal psychomotor development?  Seriously?

That’s a bold statement:  “You actually see a lot of this stuff in like the vegan community.”  Someone making a statement like that needs to back it up with some facts!


On 9/11/12 I went to the Robb Wolf website to ask for the reference:


“What exactly is the reference to Robb Wolf’s statement about “seeing a lot of this stuff in the vegan community?””

CHRIS WILLIAMS (from the Robb Wolf website):

“Hi Elisa, here are a couple of examples (not to mention Robb’s own experiences and things he’s seen personally)
It’s not an attack against vegans, but it’s pretty much impossible to get everything necessary for human thrival on a diet without animal products without supplementation.”


So…what do YOU think about those examples?

The first example— of “seeing a lot of this stuff in like the vegan community”– is the case of one baby who died in France.  The unfortunate 11 month-old died of a pneumonia-related illness.  She was underweight and suffering from vitamin A and vitamin B12 deficiencies.  She was reportedly fed “only on her mother’s milk.”  Her mother just happened to be vegan.

Is this a fair example?  NO!!  This baby should have been started on solid food months before.  Breast milk shouldn’t be the exclusive food source for an 11 month-old infant.  This is NOT a failure of the vegan diet.  This is a failure of parenting, in general.

The second example— of “seeing a lot of this stuff in like the vegan community”– is the case of one baby (a 5 month-old) with a vitamin B12 deficiency.  The deficiency was “due to low vitamin B12 concentrations in the maternal breast milk.”  The case did not indicate whether the mother actually came from “the vegan community” or not.

What the case did indicate was that the mother was found to have classical (Addisonian) pernicious anaemia and hypothyroidism.  Is pernicious anemia unique to vegans?  NO!!

Is this a fair example?  NO!!  Fortunately, the baby in the second case example was treated with B12 and showed a “rapid clinical and haematological improvement.”

Let’s still learn from this…

  1. Everyone needs vitamin B12.  Everyone should have vitamin B12 levels checked periodically.
  2. Vegans should supplement with a B12 supplement.
  3. Non-vegans may also need to supplement, because vitamin B12 deficiency is not only a “vegan issue.”  Besides cases of pernicious anemia, people over age 50 lose the ability to absorb vitamin B12 from foods.


Dear Robb Wolf,
Please stop talking out of your paleo ass about vegan babies.

Dear Chris Williams,
To use your’s “pretty much impossible” to take you seriously when you provide such ridiculous examples.

Freeheel Vegan
(thriving without killing animals…with the intermittent help of a modern world supplement that is cheap and readily available 🙂 )

Mackenzie Dierks, from Pork Checkoff:

“One of the things you touched on was a lactose source, such as whey, and its importance, and also the challenges it can create as a part of the nursery pig diet. Can you expand on that?”

Joel DeRouchery, from Kansas State University:

“Lactose is a very common nutrient that we look at to formulate into starter pig diets. Lactose is the milk sugar, so pigs really like the taste. It’s highly digestible in that transition period from the sow on into weaning. So it’s very typical we have some sort of lactose source from weaning, up until the pigs are about 25 pounds.”

“One thing that’s happened over this last portion of this year is that the lactose price has greatly increased. In fact, spray-dried whey is priced around 75 cents per pound. And if we go back historical, 4 years ago, it was 24 cents per pound.”

Reference:  7/23/12 PorkPod podcast “Availability and Cost of Feed Ingredients” (6:27)



It seems that everyone’s getting dairy products except infant cows.

And, it seems that baby animals of various kinds are denied their own milk from their mothers.

Let’s back up a second and review Biology 101…

Cow + Pregnancy = Baby Cow
Cow Lactation = Food for Baby Cow

Pig + Pregnancy = Baby Pig
Pig Lactation = Food for Baby Pig

Human + Pregnancy = Baby Human
Human Lactation = Food for Baby Human

That’s what nature intended.

Now, a step-by-step sequence describing how humans have screwed with nature:

  1. Humans want Cow Lactation.
  2. Humans take the Food for Baby Cow from Baby Cow.
  3. Humans feed Baby Cow a “milk replacer.”
  4. Humans calculate the economic usefulness of Baby Cow in order to determine his or her ultimate fate.


  1. Humans want to consume lots of Pig flesh.
  2. Lots of Pig flesh requires lots of dead Pigs.
  3. Humans breed lots of Pigs in order to kill lots of Pigs in order to consume lots of Pigs.
  4. Humans remove baby Pig from mother Pig as early as possible.
  5. Humans feed baby Pig “milk replacer” from a Cow.

  1. Humans like to breed, kill and consume one type of animal in order to breed, kill and consume another type of animal.
  2. Humans like to take what is not rightly theirs to take.
  3. Humans have zero requirement for (non-human) animal Lactation.
  4. Humans learn speciesist behaviors based on societal indoctrination.
  5. Humans are capable of challenging social norms.

It’s time to stop disrespecting nature.

Live vegan and let’s stop the insanity!

"There are those who are appalled because I am so vocal about injustice, yet I am equally appalled by their silence." Lujene Clark

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